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before the obama administration, too. would you be counseling the administration, or how would you structure public diplomacy given the reality of the drone program and what is at least now the national security policy of united states? >> i know it was. during hughes who got that seed at the table. that was part of -- i know it was karen hughes who got that seat at the table. what public policy can do, being part of the takeoff and not just the crash landings, but we can do is say, if you have a strong program, it may be a great idea, but understand that a lot of people are going to be angry when innocent people are killed or maybe even when non-innocent people are killed. that is about it. i guess i could argue that is a terrible idea to start with. to bring about some of the costs are as well as -- to bring up what some of the costs are as well as the benefits. the big problem we ran into all the time was that innocent people were killed. even when they were not killed, our enemies were saying that they were killed. we
before the obama administration, too. would you be counseling the administration, or how would you structure public diplomacy given the reality of the drone program and what is at least now the national security policy of united states? >> i know it was. during hughes who got that seed at the table. that was part of -- i know it was karen hughes who got that seat at the table. what public policy can do, being part of the takeoff and not just the crash landings, but we can do is say, if...
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obama administration not released all and i would argue that the drones in the airstrikes have not actually solve the problem and they've actually exacerbated the problem the great deal. so not to go on too long, but just let me close with this last scenario. after the christmas day attack 2009, president obama asked his staff to imagine what would happen if al qaeda had been successful and i think that's a very good exercise. and if today al qaeda were able to carry out an attack, even a fairly small one not on the scale of september 11th, but on the scale of christmas day 2009, with the u.s. respond? many people, put myself into a large-scale renovation of yemen would be mistaken that the u.s. has been bombing them and for the past three years and it really doesn't seem to have had the impact of the u.s. is like it to have. one of the arguments instead is that the u.s. is able to bob al qaeda can keep a credit back on its heels, the al qaeda won't be able to plot complete and launch attacks against the united states. the last three years have shown that is not indeed the case. we've seen
obama administration not released all and i would argue that the drones in the airstrikes have not actually solve the problem and they've actually exacerbated the problem the great deal. so not to go on too long, but just let me close with this last scenario. after the christmas day attack 2009, president obama asked his staff to imagine what would happen if al qaeda had been successful and i think that's a very good exercise. and if today al qaeda were able to carry out an attack, even a...
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here's your invoice. >> greta: the cushion publishing company takes the obama administration to court and win, suing the department of health asmg afhuman services ever the contraception mandate, arguing that it objects to provide employees with certain contraceptives, today, a judge sided with the company. i thought -- we weren't going to hear more about this. everyone thought that obamacare is in the rear-view mirror. that's not true. >> this is one of the key battleground areas of obamacare. i don't think we are going did see less of it, i think we are going to see more of it. now that it's the law of the land, it is going on move forward now, in places religious institutions that have to start, you know, selling -- paying for contraceptions are going to start fighting this. i think you will see more, especially if this injufnghtion moves forward, people will be emboldened. this person sells bibles, it is not the catholic church. so it's a for-profit, private company. i think you might see more cases like this, going forward. >> it's interesting. they say in the -- in the chicago -
here's your invoice. >> greta: the cushion publishing company takes the obama administration to court and win, suing the department of health asmg afhuman services ever the contraception mandate, arguing that it objects to provide employees with certain contraceptives, today, a judge sided with the company. i thought -- we weren't going to hear more about this. everyone thought that obamacare is in the rear-view mirror. that's not true. >> this is one of the key battleground areas...
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that is if the obama administration allows it. so, steve, you've been out to the shale in north dakota where it's coming from, and fracking so-called, and drilling and private risk taking. what does it mean for the u.s. energy markets? >> well, this is such a great, great pro american stir and by the way, paul, it's not just oil, it's also natural gas. >> paul: right, sure. >> my goodness we have more natural gas than the rest of the world combined and it's driven by the technological improvements and a five or ten year technological lead than the countries we're competing with. it's interesting, paul, if you look the at the last three or four years, now what industry has created more than any other industry in the united states. >> paul: the electric car industry, steve? (laughter) >> no, not that one. oil and gas and the thing that's so amazing, the president is doing almost everything he can to try to hold this back with regulations and with not allowi allowing permitting most of the oil and gas development is going out on priv
that is if the obama administration allows it. so, steve, you've been out to the shale in north dakota where it's coming from, and fracking so-called, and drilling and private risk taking. what does it mean for the u.s. energy markets? >> well, this is such a great, great pro american stir and by the way, paul, it's not just oil, it's also natural gas. >> paul: right, sure. >> my goodness we have more natural gas than the rest of the world combined and it's driven by the...
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but we've had year after year in the bush administration and in the obama administration in which said taxes don't have to go up. deficits don't matter. turns out they do matter. turns out that we go bankrupt, it will matter a lot. where to get the money from? well, i'd like to have every citizen in america pay at least some taxes, even if it's $100. but there are very, very many very rich people. they're tax are the lowest they've ever been since world war ii doesn't make sense. >> greg: that, to me is not an argument. we've got plenty of revenue coming in. it's about spending. it's like why do you raise taxes when you know that spending is the problem. >> it isn't the problem. it's partly the problem. and taxes are part of the problem. we're spending way more than we should and there is incredible waste in the federal government. we need some kind of serious commitment with teeth to get that waste out of the government. we've also cut taxes over and over again during the bush administration. we cut them a tiny bit for the first obama administration. we need more revenue. as mr. obama
but we've had year after year in the bush administration and in the obama administration in which said taxes don't have to go up. deficits don't matter. turns out they do matter. turns out that we go bankrupt, it will matter a lot. where to get the money from? well, i'd like to have every citizen in america pay at least some taxes, even if it's $100. but there are very, very many very rich people. they're tax are the lowest they've ever been since world war ii doesn't make sense. >> greg:...
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>> republicans are doing whatever it takes to fake a scandal in the obama administration. paul waldman calls it scandal envy. nixon had watergate, clinton had le win ski and obama has gotten off scot-free and it's making the republicans livid. republicans are not going to get the watergate this time around. senator harry reid wrote a letter to john mccain and lindsey graham saying a collect committee for investigation will not happen. the time for phoney outrage is over. republicans need to get back to the real problems facing americans. get your cell phones out. tonight's question, will the gop stop their witch hunt on benghazi? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. or you can leave a comment on our blog. and we'll bring you results later on in the show. joining me now is retired colonel lawrence wilkerson, former chief of staff number colin powell's term. colonel, good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here, ed. >> take us down the road of talking points. do we see unified talking points? is this common practice that the intell committee will get together to brief
>> republicans are doing whatever it takes to fake a scandal in the obama administration. paul waldman calls it scandal envy. nixon had watergate, clinton had le win ski and obama has gotten off scot-free and it's making the republicans livid. republicans are not going to get the watergate this time around. senator harry reid wrote a letter to john mccain and lindsey graham saying a collect committee for investigation will not happen. the time for phoney outrage is over. republicans need...
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maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference, he said he was well aware of the history of presidential overreach in second terms. that's a little bit of a different subject, but you get the sense that anyone that much aware of presidential history knows that second-term scandals can be a problem and most likely will be really, really careful. wolf? >> john berman, thank you.
maybe the obama administration will make its own history and avoid a second-term scandal. but if not, disney world may seem very appealing. you know, it was interesting, in the president's news conference, he said he was well aware of the history of presidential overreach in second terms. that's a little bit of a different subject, but you get the sense that anyone that much aware of presidential history knows that second-term scandals can be a problem and most likely will be really, really...
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state department during the first two years of the obama administration. anne marie thought wrote that -- she argued that nation-states should see the degree of sovereignty to what she called transnational networks. vertically, this is a direct quote, nations should cede sovereign authority to supernational institutions such as the international criminal court. so vertically. there'd be something above the nation, supernational institution. slaughter maintains that such transparent networks, quote -- this is a quote from slaughter: can perform many of the functions of a world government; legislation, administration and adjudication without the forum. thereby creating an effective global rule of law. well, she was the person and policy planning, the key think tank of the state department first two years of the obama administration. but there's also a republican i'm going to mention here, richard haas. he's currently the president of the council on foreign relations, and he was a special assistant to president george h.w. bush, and during the administration
state department during the first two years of the obama administration. anne marie thought wrote that -- she argued that nation-states should see the degree of sovereignty to what she called transnational networks. vertically, this is a direct quote, nations should cede sovereign authority to supernational institutions such as the international criminal court. so vertically. there'd be something above the nation, supernational institution. slaughter maintains that such transparent networks,...
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republicans say the obama administration wanted to minimize the possibility of terrorism early on. but democrats say the facts were still coming in. >> in fact, in looking at the raw intelligence there were many conflicting reports, some that said there were protests. some that said there weren't. there were groups claiming responsibility. others denying responsibility. and it took time for the intelligence community to get it right. >> why was the talking point memo initially released from the c.i.a. after it went through its process, why were certain things taken out and why was there such an emphasis on this youtube video as opposed to the mull pell other motivations that could have also sparked the attack? >> the c.i.a. talking points went through numerous hands. the various agencies, who state department, justice department before going out to lawmakers. gregg? >> gregg: molly henneberg in washington. thanks. >> heather: president obama now in germany during a brief stop on his way to southeast asia. deputy national security advisor ben rhodes says that working with that regio
republicans say the obama administration wanted to minimize the possibility of terrorism early on. but democrats say the facts were still coming in. >> in fact, in looking at the raw intelligence there were many conflicting reports, some that said there were protests. some that said there weren't. there were groups claiming responsibility. others denying responsibility. and it took time for the intelligence community to get it right. >> why was the talking point memo initially...
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the message you hear from the obama administration is that moment is that coming back again. you have to pick your fights according to national interest. what's going to be fascinating in the b. of got into a discussion, a debate between the republican defense secretary and robert casey said there's no american national interest here in that group of people that the secretary clinton, susan rice and others that we have a responsibility to protect enough with the the argument going in. that argument remains unsettled in washington today and that is the doubt i think you're picking up on your question. >> i'll make several comments. i'm working backwards on yours, you know, i look at it this way. the united states has the capability in this period in time, but secondly it's the united states that has taken the responsibility and step forward. i can't come to another country but to take that responsibility. david is the approaches in dealing with responsibility and more cost effective ways. having said that, i would argue there is going to be a big debate over this issue because
the message you hear from the obama administration is that moment is that coming back again. you have to pick your fights according to national interest. what's going to be fascinating in the b. of got into a discussion, a debate between the republican defense secretary and robert casey said there's no american national interest here in that group of people that the secretary clinton, susan rice and others that we have a responsibility to protect enough with the the argument going in. that...
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. >> general, we have the gop still suggesting that the obama administration concealed the fact benghazi was a terror attack for political reasons. from what we have learned from general petraeus's testimony, doesn't it seem the administration held back information, if they did so it was because a genuine national security concern existed? >> well, you know, my take on this, alex, this is centralist political posturing inside washington. the problem was we had inadequate ground security there. that's a state department function, not cia. when the thing went bad we had this am bass do, bilingual in arabic, he shouldn't have been there. that was the problem. but -- characterized the mob was minutiae for good next sakes. libya is a mess. there's no government, no army. it's not a success. probably better than having that monster gadhafi and his family in charge of it. but that's the problem. they have to get their eyesight up. we've got a war in afghanistan going that's running us $6 billion a month and several hundred killed and wounded a month. and here we're focused on this tragedy of fo
. >> general, we have the gop still suggesting that the obama administration concealed the fact benghazi was a terror attack for political reasons. from what we have learned from general petraeus's testimony, doesn't it seem the administration held back information, if they did so it was because a genuine national security concern existed? >> well, you know, my take on this, alex, this is centralist political posturing inside washington. the problem was we had inadequate ground...